!!!Meeting setup * Date: 8.10.2007 * Time: 09.30 Norw. time * Place: Internet * Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype !!!Agenda # Opening, agenda review # Reviewing the task list from last week # Documentation - divvun.no # Corpus gathering # Corpus infrastructure # Infrastructure # Linguistics # name lexicon infrastructure # Spellers # Other issues # Summary, task lists # Closing !!!1. Opening, agenda review, participants Opened at 09:39. Present: __Børre, Ilona, Per-Eric, Risten, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond__ Absent: __none__ Agenda accepted as is. !!!2. Updated task status since last meeting !!Børre * move __Steinar's__ error markup in the xml files to (a copy of) the original ** not done * Hunspell lexicon conversion ** nouns, adjs and verbs seem to work okay, other POS'es and CPOS'es (?) don't work as expected * collect/build an e-mail notify list ** not done * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Ilona * lexicalise missing words ** Never done... But now already pretty far with a missing list made of Assu-files. * make {{sms}} propernoun-list ** Was done already * Change NIILLAS-names to ANAR or DUORTNUS. ** Done !!Maaren * lexicalise actio compounds !!Per-Eric * expand the smj typos list ** Worked and still working * add missing smj words ** Worked and still working * lexicalise words from the Olavi missing list ** Worked and still working * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] ** Fixed some !!Risten * fixed and open issues to README files ** done * update translations of README-files - Thursday afternoon ** done !!Saara * add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs ** not done * Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) ** not done !!Sjur * document the AppleScript testing tool ** nothing new * document the testing procedures ** not yet * work on the XML name editor/risten.no integration ** still nothing * fixed and open issues to README files ** done * test correct-type markup with latest enhancements ** nope * collect/build an e-mail notify list ** yes * update translations of README-files - Thursday afternoon ** several times * update installation packages ** as well * announce the beta ** today - we need a multilingual e-mail text * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] ** yes, and reported new ones * other things: ** received, installed and tested InDesign hyphenation - works great! (but there are hyphenation errors, we need a hyphenation command line tool to test the behaviour of the Polderland hyphenation; it has been ordered, and should arrive within the next two weeks). !!Thomas * explain compound-tags to Tomi ** done * add {{oslolaš}} type derivation test cases to {{smj}} regresssion file ** not done * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources ** worked * update translations of README-files - Thursday afternoon ** done * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] ** worked some !!Tomi * make PLX conversion test sample; add conversion testing to the make file ** not done * Hunspell lexicon conversion ** Børre is doing * fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case {{o}} ** this one is fixed? Yes, the latest regression tests are very good:) * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources ** not done * test whether we can revert Makefile changes, and if positive, revert them ** done * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] ** fixed !!Trond * update the {{smj}} proper noun lexicon, and refine the morphological analysis, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt ** Not done. * fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case {{o}} ** fixed * add {{sma}} texts to the corpus repository ** Analysed the sma texts, they look promising, but will require work in order to be added properly. I suggest postponing this to after christmas (as i have done so far, also) * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources ** Great progress done, still some minor changes left until it is working * update translations of README-files - Thursday afternoon ** Done (well, it might have been Friday...) * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]. !!!3. Documentation Bugzilla 3.0.x has some nice features we would like to use, like shared, filtered queries. __TODO:__ * add semi-automatic updates of fixed and open issues to README files (__Sjur__) ** done * update Bugzilla (__Børre__) !!!4. Corpus gathering __Trond__ had a look at the {{sma}} bible texts. We will postpone adding them till after Christmas, when we hopefully will have a dedicated {{sma}} project. __Børre__ has received lots of texts from __Torkel Rasmussen__, they will be added this week. __TODO:__ * test correct-type markup with latest enhancements (__Sjur__) * add texts from __Torkel Rasmussen__ (__Børre__) !!!5. Corpus infrastructure Nothing. !!!6. Infrastructure Speller testing is still fluctuating a bit. !!!7. Linguistics !!North Sámi {{{ Čorru > čorut *Oslolaš with hyphen required, is printed now, but shouldn't oslolaš - is done correctly now }}} This one is fixed by the latest changes in the PLX conversion. TODO: * lexicalise actio compounds. Example: ''vuolggasadji'' vs. ''vuolginsadji'' (__Maaren__) * fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case {{o}} (__Tomi__) ** fixed !!Lule Sámi We have the same oslolaš derivation in {{smj}} too, but with another derivation. {{{ Tjårro > tjårok *Oslolaš with hyphen required, is printed now, but shouldn't oslolaš - is done correctly now }}} Correct compounds are still not recognised: {{{ Stuorafuoskok => input, should be accepted (218) Stuorauvsuk (217) Stuorraluohkák }}} fuoskok fuoskok Fuossko+N+Prop+Plc+Sg+Gen+Der1+Der/k+N+Sg+Nom {{{ StuorFuoskok Stuorafuoskok 2 (220) Stuorruskak (220) Stuoruduskak (219) SUFUR-Fuoskok }}} ''Fuoskok'' is in the PLX lexicon, but does ''not'' take part in this type of compounding. It should actually have been ''fuoskok''. Fuoskok Fuossko+N+Prop+Plc+Pl+Nom+Clt+ge Fuoskok Fuossko+N+Prop+Plc+Sg+Gen+Clt+ge smj propernoun bug issue: procedure # convert from common base (which means sme base) ## Words not convertable should be added to separate smj lexicon, and words that should not be converted from sme sme should be moved to non-convert lexicon in sme??? # send to {{smj}} morphology The original todo was to correct the smj morphology. Current test shows weaknesses in both camps: * conversion errors * words that should not have been converten * missing smj-unique names * errors in the morphology Testing procedures: * analyse baseforms (as for sme) * generate a couple of caseforms from the baseforms, and inspect result Suggestion: Let us first analyse the proper noun base forms for Lule Sámi, and thereafter look at the morphology. TODO: * refine {{smj}} proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt (__Thomas__) ** it is only about adding {{smj}} names now, working on it * lexicalise words from the Olavi missing list, but check against the pdf original where in doubt (__Per-Eric__) ** working on it * add {{oslolaš}} type derivation test cases to the regresssion file (__Thomas__) ** done * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase {{smj}} coverage (__Trond, Thomas, Svenne__) ** working on it * add proper nouns (__Thomas, Ilona__) !!!8. Name lexicon infrastructure This sub-project needs to get up and running soon. Mainly __Sjur's__ task. Decisions made in Tromsø can be found in [this meeting memo.|/doc/admin/physical_meetings/tromso-2006-08-propnoun.html] __TODO:__ # fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (__Saara__) # finish first version of the editing (__Sjur__) # test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (__Sjur, Thomas, Trond__) # make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (__Sjur, Saara__) # convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (__Sjur, Tomi, Saara__) # implement data synchronisation between [risten.no|http://www.risten.no] and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way) # start to use the xml file as source file # clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (__Thomas, Maaren, linguists__) # merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (__linguists__) # publish the name lexicon on risten.no (__Sjur__) # add missing parallel names for placenames (__linguists__) # add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (__linguists__) !!!9. Proofing tools !!Hunspell Sami languages are not supported in OpenOffice.org, until that is fixed we will have to do the same tricks we apply in Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac. TODO: * Hunspell lexicon conversion (__Tomi, Børre__) * Begin adding support for the sami languages in OpenOffice.org (__Børre__) !!Testing !Spelling Error Markup __TODO:__ * Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (__Saara__) * move __Steinar's__ error markup in the xml files to (a copy of) the original (__Børre, Kimme__) !Automated testing The infrastructure is about to settle. __TODO:__ * document the AppleScript testing tool (__Sjur__) * document the testing procedures (__Sjur__) !!Lexicon conversion to the PLX format __TODO:__ * fix {{oslolaš}} bug (__Tomi__) ** fixed for {{sme}}, still open for {{smj}} !!InDesign tools We have received the first hyphenation beta for InDesign. It has been tested, and seems to work fine. We should give the beta to __Min Áigi__ and __Davvi Girji__. __TODO:__ * make available InDesign hyphenator to __Min Áigi/Davvi Girji__ (__Sjur__) * document the InDesign tools (__Sjur__) * add hyphenation testing (__Sjur__) !!Hyphenators There are some hyphenation errors we need to debug. __TODO:__ * get command line hyphenator (__Sjur__) * collect list of problematic words for the hyphenator (__Sjur, Thomas, all__) !!New public beta __TODO:__ * collect/build an e-mail notify list; we make it simple, a text document with e-mail addresses (__Sjur, Børre, others__) ** done * update list of fixed and known issues - Tuesday afternoon (__Sjur, Risten__) ** done * update translations of README-files - Thursday afternoon (__Risten, Thomas, Sjur, Trond__) ** done * update installation packages (__Sjur__) ** done * announce the beta (__Sjur__) ** today !!Release version The CD cover etc. will be worked on by John-Marcus Kuhmunen, and will follow the SD design rules. He is now waiting for the text to be put on the CD cover and other places. __TODO:__ * write text to go on the CD cover (__Risten__) * set up CD-printing printer (__Risten__) !!!10. Other !!Corpus contracts Delayed till after final release. TODO: * publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta (__Sjur__) !!Bug fixing When fixing bugs, record the version number containing the fix in the Bugzilla bug report, such that for each bug, we know exactly when it should have been fixed, in what file(s) and what version. __59__ open Divvun/Disamb bugs (__26__ of these 56 are speller-related bugs, __33__ are other bugs), and __23__ risten.no bugs !!!11. Next meeting, closing The next meeting is 15.10.2007, 09:30 Norwegian time. Trond will be away. The meeting was closed at 10:43. !!!Appendix - task lists for the next week !!Boerre [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Boerre.ics] * move __Steinar's__ error markup in the xml files to (a copy of) the original * Hunspell lexicon conversion * update Bugzilla to 3.0.x * begin adding support for the sami languages in OpenOffice.org * add texts from __Torkel Rasmussen__ * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Ilona [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Ilona.ics] * lexicalise missing words ** Will I have new missing lists to do? * Check the Finnish translation * add {{smj}} proper nouns * other {{smj}} tasks !!Maaren * lexicalise actio compounds !!Per-Eric [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Per-Eric.ics] * expand the smj typos list * add missing smj words * lexicalise words from the Olavi missing list * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Risten [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Risten.ics] * write text to go on the CD cover * set up CD-printing printer !!Saara [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Saara.ics] * add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs * Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) !!Sjur [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Sjur.ics] * document the AppleScript testing tool * document the testing procedures * work on the XML name editor/risten.no integration * test correct-type markup with latest enhancements * get command line hyphenator for automated testing of the hyph-lexicons * collect list of problematic words for the hyphenator * make available InDesign hyphenator to __Min Áigi/Davvi Girji__ * document the InDesign tools * add hyphenation testing * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Thomas [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Thomas.ics] * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources * add {{smj}} proper nouns * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Tomi [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Tomi.ics] * Hunspell lexicon conversion * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources * fix ''oslolaš'' bug in {{smj}} (__Tomi__) * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla] !!Trond [iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2007/Tasks_2007-10-08_Trond.ics] * {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources * [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].