!!!Meeting setup

* Date: 15.4.2008
* Time: 12.30 Norw. time
* Place: Internet
* Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

!!!Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
* the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
* the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

!!!Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 12:59.

Present: __Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi__

Absent: __Børre, Trond__

Agenda accepted as is.

!!!Updated task status since last meeting

!!Børre
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* InDesign documentation
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with __Sjur__)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Lene
* Ped project
* Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller

!!Maaren
* Put the list of possible {{sma}} corpus sources into a document


!!Per-Eric
* keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
** Nothing
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly, send them contracts
** Working on it
* Work with missing list from Tjaktjalasta, Lars-Matto Tuolja.
** Done
* Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
** Working with it
* Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
** Keeping contact
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** Nothing done

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* discuss more parallel texts

!!Sjur
* gather {{sma}} texts
** got access to a site, not so much as expected
* name db/risten.no
** major work at bringing the new multi-iframe setup up on par with the old site
   regarding editing the SD-terms material. It should in principle be done now,
   but it needs more testing.
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
** nothing new
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
** nothing new
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
** discussed with both, we wrote a short migration plan
* add Jabber account in iChat for __Svenne, Joseph__
** __Joseph__ done, __Svenne__ has not been online when I have been
* release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with __Børre__)
** waiting for a beta quality version of Divvun hunspell lexicons
* update the ''Changes'' document
** nothing new
* discuss {{sma}} project public tender with __Julie__, as well as maintenance
  and support needs from Polderland
** done briefly, will discuss more this week
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs:
** 621 - other hyphenator bugs => needs updated documentation
** 630 - Word (prefix) with hyphen is rejected - and suggested => needs updated documentation
** 652 -  UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions
** 656 - User word list "gets full" (as reported by users)
** for all, see discussions below
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Thomas
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
** not anything this week
* Hunspell: add {{smj}} to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as {{sme}}
** Børre is working with it
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** not anything this week

!!Tomi
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
** not done
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
** not done
* fix double hyphen bugs
** not done
* Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
** not delivered yet
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].

!!!Pedagogical software online

__TODO:__
* get an easy-to-remember URL (__UiT/IT__) 
* More thorough skin, layout, ... (__External person within the Ped team__,
  __Internal forrest expert__) This we will postponed until later
* Make a pedagogical speller (__Tomi__ when finished with his MA thesis)
** Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
** Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
   compounding

!!!Documentation

__TODO:__
* start to reorganise the documentation (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)

!!!Corpus gathering

__TODO:__
* follow-up on the {{smj}} texts from __Kurt Tore__ (__Per-Eric__)
* get texts from __Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm__, possibly through
  __Ulf-Stefan Winka__
  (contract is ok now) (__Per-Eric__)
* other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (__Børge Strandskog__), Lena Davidsson
  daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
* gather {{sma}} texts (__Børre, Sjur, Trond, Joseph__)
** gathered text should be given to __Børre__
* Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document
  {{gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki}} (__Maaren__)
* give contract with blank fields to __Per-Eric__ (__Børre__)

!!!Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in {{plan/strat/5year.jspwiki}}.

!!!Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
# migrate to svn
# merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
# more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
# close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
# set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
## permanent chat rooms
## stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
## iCal server / group calendars
## wiki
# wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
# improve Forrest stability and i18n support
# reorganise the documentation content:
## differ between target groups
## get better grouping
## decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
   (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
## update/add missing parts
# migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
## Name lexica (the Name project)
## Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
## Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
# change the look of the documentation web
# sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
# investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
  package from Polderland
# corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

__TODO:__
* add Jabber account in iChat
** check that all accounts are ready for iChat on the G5 (__Børre__)
** UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (__Trond__)
** SD: Svenne, Joseph (__Sjur__)
*** __Joseph__ done
* prepare migration to svn (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** there is a fairly robust python script available at the Subversion home page
   to do the conversion job

!!!Linguistics

!!North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

!!Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

__TODO:__
* {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
  increase {{smj}} coverage (__Trond, Svenne__). 
* Add the words when all words are ready.

!!South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

!!!Name lexicon infrastructure

__TODO:__
# fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
  request) (__Sjur__)
# fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (__Saara__)
# finish first version of the editing (__Sjur__)
# test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (__Sjur, Thomas, Trond__)
# make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
  well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
  propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (__Sjur, Saara__)
# convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
  (__Sjur, Tomi, Saara__)
# implement data synchronisation between [risten.no|http://www.risten.no] and
   the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
   to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
   official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
# start to use the xml file as source file
# clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
  (e.g. @type=secondary) (__Thomas, Maaren, linguists__)
# merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
  Helsingfors, Helsset (__linguists__)
# publish the name lexicon on risten.no (__Sjur__)
# add missing parallel names for placenames (__linguists__)
# add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
  (__linguists__)


!!!Proofing tools

!!Hunspell

Hunspell 1.2.2 released, several improvements and bug fixes. Hunspell 1.1.12
released as part of OOo 2.4.

__TODO:__
# add {{smj}} to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as {{sme}}
  (__Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric__)
## added to derivations, needs to be tested
# fix the remaining conversion bugs for {{sme}} (__Børre, Tomi__)
# return to {{smj}}, and fix whatever is left to fix (__Børre, Tomi__)
# release a public beta at the end of April (__Børre, Sjur__)

!!Testing

!Spelling Error Markup

__TODO:__
* Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
  added to lexicon or not) (__Saara__)
* test new and nested error markup (__Sjur__)

!!Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

!sme
Version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 425 - __REGRESSION:__ other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
* 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - ''guoktedássásaš'' accepted - still __OPEN__
* 435 - roman numbers - __REGRESSION:__ inflection of single letter numbers
        rejected (but is ok in {{smj}})
** we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
   separate lexicon file
* 452 - __REGRESSION:__ several lexical bugs - ''oažžuin'' + ''ožžuin''
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''ovdaLot'' instead of ''ovda-Lot'') - still
        __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sámi-dáru'' - still __OPEN__
* 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still __OPEN__
* 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen - still __OPEN__
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still __OPEN__
* 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still __OPEN__
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compounding without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still __OPEN__
* 655 - pron + nai - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__

!smj
Version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
**      we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
        separate lexicon file
**      please note that ''inflection'' of single letter numerals is __fine__ in
        {{smj}}, as opposed to {{sme}}
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''tsåhkeLot'' instead of ''tsåhke-Lot'') -
        still __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sáme-dáro'' - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still __OPEN__, try to find an acro or abbr ''me''
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compound - still __OPEN__
* 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__

__TODO:__
* compile new speller lexicons (__Tomi__)
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (__Tomi__)

!!Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

!sme
Lexicon version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 468 - __REGRESSION:__''Márkomeanu''
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Lotnolasealáhusas''
* 548 - __REGRESSION:__ mid syllable hyphenation: ''Háliidivččen''
* 549 - __REGRESSION:__ division without hyph: ''Váccedettiin''
* 673 - adj-derivations: ''guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin'' (the word is not rec.)
* 677 - __NEW:__ Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

!smj
Lexicon version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 545 - __REGRESSION:__ bad hyphenation in compounds: ''åhpadusorganisásjåvnån''
         (not recognised)
* 546 - __REGRESSION:__ obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
        manner: ''organisásjåvnån'' (not recognised)
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Jienastimnjuolgadusá'' and
        ''Orgánajs''

!!InDesign tools

We're waiting for an update from Polderland.

!!Releases

__TODO:__
* update the ''Changes'' document (__Sjur__)
* documentation (__Sjur__)
** Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

!!!Other

!!Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  (__Sjur__)

!!Travel to Røros and Östersund

22-25. of April

Dates ok by:

* Sjur
* Jovsset

What about Lene?

!!!Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 21.4.2008.

The meeting was closed at 13:26.

!!!Appendix - task lists for the next five days

!!Boerre
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Boerre.ics]
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* InDesign documentation
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with __Sjur__)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Lene
* Ped project
* Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller

!!Maaren
* Put the list of possible {{sma}} corpus sources into a document


!!Per-Eric
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Per-Eric.ics]
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly, send them contracts
* Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
* Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* discuss more parallel texts

!!Sjur
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Sjur.ics]
* gather {{sma}} texts
* name db/risten.no
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
* add Jabber account in iChat for __Svenne__
* release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with __Børre__)
* update the ''Changes'' document
* discuss {{sma}} project public tender with __Julie__, as well as maintenance
  and support needs from Polderland
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Thomas
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Thomas.ics]
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
* Hunspell: add {{smj}} to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as {{sme}}
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Tomi
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Tomi.ics]
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
* fix double hyphen bugs
* Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-04-15_Trond.ics]
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].