!!!Meeting setup

* Date: 13.5.2008
* Time: 10.15 Norw. time
* Place: Internet
* Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

!!!Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
* the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
* the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

!!!Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 12:34.

Present: __Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi__

Absent: __Jovsset, Trond__

Agenda accepted as is.

!!!Updated task status since last meeting

!!Boerre
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
** Making a program that converts fullform wordlists to the hunspell format.
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
** Made accounts for all samediggi and uit workers
* release hunspell public beta during May (with __Sjur__)
** working
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
** not done
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** not done
* define and document testing routines
** not done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__


!!Maaren
* Put the list of possible {{sma}} corpus sources into a document


!!Per-Eric
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly.
** Nothing done
* Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
** Finished ja_jage_gållin_missing.txt continued with Uldevisa_missing.txt
* Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
** Nothing done
* Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
** Nothing done
* Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
** Nothing done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** Nothing done

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
** nothing
* name db/risten.no
** installed latest svn version of eXist - includes better corruption detection
   and recovery
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
** nothing
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
** nothing
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
** nothing last week
* release hunspell public beta during May (with __Børre__)
** nothing
* update the ''Changes'' document
** nothing
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
** briefly on bug 656
* InDesign documentation
** nothing
* add CG regression test with __Lene__ and __Trond__
** nothing
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** nothing
* define and document testing routines
** nothing
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** nothing
* other things:
** searched for and found an acceptable Linux/Windows dictionary application
   (StarDict), no dictionary made for it yet
** prepared presentation in Stockholm

!!Thomas
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
** nothing this week
* review hunspell lexicon branch with __Børre__
** finished sme, working with smj now
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** nothing this week


!!Tomi
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
* fix double hyphen bugs
* Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
* Work on test routine with __Lene__ and __Sjur__
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].

!!!Pedagogical software online

Still more progress, probably online demo this or next month.

__TODO:__
* get the content ready (__Lene__)
* implement the UI and functionality (__Saara__)
* get an easy-to-remember URL (__UiT/IT__) 
* More thorough skin, layout, ... (__External person within the Ped team__,
  __Internal forrest expert__) This we will postponed until later
* Make a pedagogical speller (__Tomi__ when finished with his MA thesis)
** Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
** Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
   compounding

!!!Documentation

__TODO:__
* start to reorganise the documentation (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)

!!!Corpus gathering

After some discussion, we decided that __Thomas__ and __Per-Eric__ should do a
''tour de Divvun'' in the Lule Sámi area, to make more people use our tools, and
provide us with more texts, and to make them understand that using our tools is
beneficial even for ''professional'' writers.

__Per-Eric__ talked to __Børge Strandskog__ (''Nord-Salten avis''), to remind
him about our work and need for {{smj}} texts.

__TODO:__
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts (__Sjur, Jovsset__)
* follow-up on the {{smj}} texts from __Kurt Tore__ (__Per-Eric__)
* get texts from __Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm__, possibly through
  __Ulf-Stefan Winka__
  (contract is ok now) (__Per-Eric__)
* other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (__Børge Strandskog__), Lena Davidsson
  daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
* Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document
  {{gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki}} (__Maaren__)
* give contract with blank fields to __Per-Eric__ (__Børre__)
* plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools (__Per-Eric, Thomas__)

!!!Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in {{plan/strat/5year.jspwiki}}.

!!!Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
# test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
# migrate to svn
# merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
# more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
# close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
# set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
## permanent chat rooms
## stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
## iCal server / group calendars
## wiki
# wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
# improve Forrest stability and i18n support
# reorganise the documentation content:
## differ between target groups
## get better grouping
## decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
   (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
## update/add missing parts
# migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
## Name lexica (the Name project)
## Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
## Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
# change the look of the documentation web
# sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
# investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
  package from Polderland
# corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

__TODO:__
* add CG regression test (__Lene, Sjur, Trond__)
** needs to be integrated in the make file
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** not yet - depends on the prevous point
* define and document testing routines (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** not yet
* add Jabber account in iChat
** UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (__Trond__)
* prepare migration to svn (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** https access is now working.
   svn checkout https://victorio.uit.no/repos
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (__Børre__)

!!!Linguistics

!!North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

!!Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

__TODO:__
* {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
  increase {{smj}} coverage (__Trond, Svenne__). 
* Add the words when all words are ready.

!!South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

!!!Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

Updated the eXist version, reinstalled all data. The G5 installation should work
again now.

__TODO:__
# fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
  request) (__Sjur__)
# fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (__Saara__)
# finish first version of the editing (__Sjur__)
# test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (__Sjur, Thomas, Trond__)
# make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
  well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
  propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (__Sjur, Saara__)
# convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
  (__Sjur, Tomi, Saara__)
# implement data synchronisation between [risten.no|http://www.risten.no] and
   the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
   to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
   official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
# start to use the xml file as source file
# clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
  (e.g. @type=secondary) (__Thomas, Maaren, linguists__)
# merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
  Helsingfors, Helsset (__linguists__)
# publish the name lexicon on risten.no (__Sjur__)
# add missing parallel names for placenames (__linguists__)
# add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
  (__linguists__)

!!Dictionaries

__TODO:__

* find similar frameworks for Linux and Windows
** StarDict - opensource, free, can take XML dictionaries, all OS-es
* make simple installer applications
* make a public release
** Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
   {{xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml}}
** Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
*** Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
*** Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows
    and Linux

!!!Proofing tools

!!Hunspell

__Børre__ finally found a working strategy for converting our lexc lexicons to
hunspell format.

__TODO:__
# test latest lexicon (__Sjur__)
# add {{smj}} to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as {{sme}}
  (__Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric__)
## added to derivations, needs to be tested
# fix the remaining conversion bugs for {{sme}} (__Børre, Tomi__)
# return to {{smj}}, and fix whatever is left to fix (__Børre, Tomi__)
# release a public beta at the end of April (__Børre, Sjur__)

!!Testing

!Spelling Error Markup

__TODO:__
* Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
  added to lexicon or not) (__Saara__)
* test new and nested error markup (__Sjur__)

!!Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

!sme
Version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 425 - __REGRESSION:__ other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
* 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - ''guoktedássásaš'' accepted - still __OPEN__
* 435 - roman numbers - __REGRESSION:__ inflection of single letter numbers
        rejected (but is ok in {{smj}})
** we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
   separate lexicon file
* 452 - __REGRESSION:__ several lexical bugs - ''oažžuin'' + ''ožžuin''
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''ovdaLot'' instead of ''ovda-Lot'') - still
        __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sámi-dáru'' - still __OPEN__
* 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still __OPEN__
* 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen - still __OPEN__
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still __OPEN__
* 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still __OPEN__
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compounding without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still __OPEN__
* 655 - pron + nai - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__
* 665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - __NEW__
* 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - __NEW__
* 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - __NEW__
* 676 - triple-hyphen - __NEW__

!smj
Version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
**      we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
        separate lexicon file
**      please note that ''inflection'' of single letter numerals is __fine__ in
        {{smj}}, as opposed to {{sme}}
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''tsåhkeLot'' instead of ''tsåhke-Lot'') -
        still __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sáme-dáro'' - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still __OPEN__, try to find an acro or abbr ''me''
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compound - still __OPEN__
* 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__
* 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - __NEW__

__TODO:__
* compile new speller lexicons (__Tomi__)
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (__Tomi__)

!!Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

!sme
Lexicon version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 468 - __REGRESSION:__''Márkomeanu''
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Lotnolasealáhusas''
* 548 - __REGRESSION:__ mid syllable hyphenation: ''Háliidivččen''
* 549 - __REGRESSION:__ division without hyph: ''Váccedettiin''
* 673 - adj-derivations: ''guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin'' (the word is not rec.)
* 677 - __NEW:__ Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

!smj
Lexicon version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 545 - __REGRESSION:__ bad hyphenation in compounds: ''åhpadusorganisásjåvnån''
         (not recognised)
* 546 - __REGRESSION:__ obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
        manner: ''organisásjåvnån'' (not recognised)
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Jienastimnjuolgadusá'' and
        ''Orgánajs''

!!InDesign tools

We have received the expected updates from Polderland.

!!Releases

__TODO:__
* update the ''Changes'' document (__Sjur__)
* InDesign documentation (__Sjur__)
** Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
* public hunspell beta - sometime in May
* public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May

!!!Other

!!Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from {{cvs}} to {{svn}}.

TODO:
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  (__Sjur__)

!!Sjur in Stockholm

Tomorrow - giving a speech on ''Samiska i IT-samhället''.

!!Summer vacations

|| Who     || When
| Børre    | 30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
| Jovsset  | ???
| Per-Eric | ???
| Sjur     | ???
| Tomi     | 16/6 - 4/8
| Thomas   | 23/6 - 21 or 28/7
| Trond    | 30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8


!!!Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 19.5.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 12:07.

!!!Appendix - task lists for the next five days

!!Boerre
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Boerre.ics]
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta during May (with __Sjur__)
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__

!!Maaren
* Put the list of possible {{sma}} corpus sources into a document

!!Per-Eric
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Per-Eric.ics]
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly.
* Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
* Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
* Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
* Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
* plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Sjur.ics]
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
* name db/risten.no
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with __Børre__)
* update the ''Changes'' document
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
* InDesign documentation
* add CG regression test with __Lene__ and __Trond__
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* {{sma}} linguist
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Thomas
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Thomas.ics]
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
* review hunspell lexicon branch with __Børre__
* plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Tomi
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Tomi.ics]
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
* fix double hyphen bugs
* Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-13_Trond.ics]
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
* Work on test routine with __Lene__ and __Sjur__
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* Dictionaries
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].