!!!Meeting setup

* Date: 26.5.2008
* Time: 09.30 Norw. time
* Place: Internet
* Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

!!!Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
* the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
* the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

!!!Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 09:54.

Present: __Børre, Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond__

Absent: __none__

Agenda accepted as is.

!!!Updated task status since last meeting

!!Børre
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
** working sme and smj solutions
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
** nothing new
* release hunspell public beta during May (with __Sjur__)
** we will make it
* make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
** not done
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
** not done
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** not done
* define and document testing routines
** not done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__

!!Maaren
* Put the list of possible {{sma}} corpus sources into a document

!!Per-Eric
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly.
** Nothing done this week
* Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
** Done
* Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
** Workin with it
* Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
** Nothing done yet
* Plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools
** Nothing done this week
* Call Julie about my vacationdays (how many I have left)
** Done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** Nothing done this week

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
** nothing
* name db/risten.no
** nothing
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
** nothing
* publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
** nothing
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
** nothing
* release hunspell public beta at the end of May (with __Børre__)
** will evaluate test results for latest speller lexicons
* update the ''Changes'' document
** nothing
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
** discussed briefly with Polderland - awaiting feedback on 656
* InDesign documentation
** nothing
* add CG regression test with __Lene__ and __Trond__
** added to {{Makefile}}
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** not yet
* define and document testing routines
** started to write the documentation
* {{sma}} linguist
** sent draft of position announcement to __Julie__
* test latest hyphenator lexicons
** done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
* other things:
** corrected some small bugs in the speller test bench
** looked a bit more on dictionary app on Windows, and conversion to {{XDXF}}
** tested dictionary apps from Polderland

!!Thomas
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
** some done
* review hunspell lexicon branch with __Børre__
** finished as far as I can see
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** some done

!!Tomi
* Hunspell lexicon conversion
** nothing
* make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
** not done
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
** not done
* fix double hyphen bugs
** looked at this one
* Make a pedagogical speller
** not done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
** Not done, J. seems to never be around, but is there an iChat problem here?
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
** Awaiting machine problems for Lene and Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
** No progress
* Work on test routine with __Lene__ and __Sjur__
** Worked on this one: routine included in Makefile, and documentation 
   started.
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** We are still not that far.
* define and document testing routines
** Documents started.
* Dictionaries
** Progress on several fronts:
** Missing Jernsletten words about to be included in smenob.xml (there were
   fewer of them than anticipated, appr. 90 words, most of them without
   direct translation in Jernsletten, the file in question is 
   Jernsletten_not_smenob.txt
** Extracted all Norwegian translations, ran them through two nob transducers
   and the MS nob spellchecker, the remaining red lines I am about to go
   through (file Norwegian_typoslist.txt)
** Also worked on komi-JMR, swefit and fkvnob, actually.
** Did refinements on the documentation. We now await green light from SD.   
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].

!!!Pedagogical software online

Meeting memos can be found at 
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]

Progress:

* /oahpa/morfa/ (sme)
* /oahpa/leksa/ (sme)
* /oahpa/logut/ (sme, smj, sma, smn!)

We have working beta versions on morphology (morfa), vocabulary (leksa) and
numerals (logut).

The urls are not published yet, they are still unstable (Saara takes them
down on irregular intervals in order to improve it, but they are actually
working. The morfa drill now works only in a "for lingusts" version, we will
give a further option with linguistic clues. Also the interface language
optionality is not quite working yet.

Goal for the Hattfjelldal meeting:
Have a sma morfa game ready for the verbs in the Verbh book

__TODO:__
* get the content ready (__Lene__)
* implement the UI and functionality (__Saara__)
* get an easy-to-remember URL (__UiT/IT__) 
* More thorough skin, layout, ... (__External person within the Ped team__,
  __Internal forrest expert__) This we will postponed until later
* Make a pedagogical speller (__Tomi__ when finished with his MA thesis)
** Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
** Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
   compounding

!!!Documentation

__TODO:__
* start to reorganise the documentation (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)

!!!Corpus gathering

Trond has received two Turi texts (Muitalus+), and will add them.

__TODO:__
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts (__Sjur, Jovsset__)
* follow-up on the {{smj}} texts from __Kurt Tore__ (__Per-Eric__)
* other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (__Børge Strandskog__), Lena Davidsson
  daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
* Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document
  {{gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki}} (__Maaren__)
* give contract with blank fields to __Per-Eric__ (__Børre__)
* plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools (__Per-Eric, Thomas__)

!!!Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in {{plan/strat/5year.jspwiki}}.

!!!Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
# test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
# migrate to svn
# merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
# more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
# close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
# set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
## permanent chat rooms
## stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
## iCal server / group calendars
## wiki
# wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
# improve Forrest stability and i18n support
# reorganise the documentation content:
## differ between target groups
## get better grouping
## decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
   (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
## update/add missing parts
# migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
## Name lexica (the Name project)
## Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
## Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
# change the look of the documentation web
# sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
# investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
  package from Polderland
# corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

__TODO:__
* add CG regression test (__Lene, Sjur, Trond__)
** done, at least a reasonable start.
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** not yet - depends on the prevous point
* define and document testing routines (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** started
* add Jabber account in iChat
** UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (__Trond__)
* prepare migration to svn (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** https access is now working.
   svn checkout https://victorio.uit.no/repos
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (__Børre__)

!!!Linguistics

!!North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

!!Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

__TODO:__
* {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
  increase {{smj}} coverage (__Trond, Svenne__). 
* Add the words when all words are ready.

!!South Sámi

__Jovsset__ will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh
manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

!!!Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

__TODO:__
# fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
  request) (__Sjur__)
# fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (__Saara__)
# finish first version of the editing (__Sjur__)
# test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (__Sjur, Thomas, Trond__)
# make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
  well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
  propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (__Sjur, Saara__)
# convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
  (__Sjur, Tomi, Saara__)
# implement data synchronisation between [risten.no|http://www.risten.no] and
   the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
   to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
   official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
# start to use the xml file as source file
# clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
  (e.g. @type=secondary) (__Thomas, Maaren, linguists__)
# merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
  Helsingfors, Helsset (__linguists__)
# publish the name lexicon on risten.no (__Sjur__)
# add missing parallel names for placenames (__linguists__)
# add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
  (__linguists__)

!!Dictionaries

Updated version now available at the Divvun download area
[http://www.divvun.no/static_files/sme-nob-dict.zip].

What we have works, content-wise and technically, for Mac OS 10.5. Technically,
the challenge now is to port it to other OS-es, and generalise the
infrastructure to make it easy to add new dictionaries without doubling the
infrastructure components.

The linguistic challenges are:

* Compounds (must be lexicalised)
* Derivations (must be lexicalised)
* Better coverage (the {{words/dicts/smenob/src/inc-*}} files)
* Better dictionary aricles

As for the last point, we are considering a dictionary workshop next winter. But
we will then need lexicographers, and routines for using our tools and parallel
corpora for finding dictionary examples.

__TODO:__
* clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
* make Linux and Windows versions
* make simple installer applications
* make a public release
** Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
   {{xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml}}
** Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
*** Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
*** Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows
    and Linux

!!!Proofing tools

!!Hunspell

Latest test results now committed and linked to.

__Børre__ is working on the conversion.

{{{
sme.dic 12MB
sme.aff 873kB
smj.dic 17MB
smj.aff 484kB
}}}

These files are in 129.242.220.111 /Users/boerre/gt/tmp
http://divvun.no/static_files/hunspell-se-2008-05-23.zip

Installation (needs the last version of OpenOffice.org 2.4)

Under linux the files se.dic and se.aff must be copied to 
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/ 

In OS X the folder is
/Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/

Then these lines should be added to the following file:

in Linux:
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/dictionary.lst 

in Mac:
/Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst

{{{
DICT se NO se
DICT se SE se
DICT se FI se
DICT smj NO smj
DICT smj SE smj
}}}

__TODO:__
# add {{smj}} to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as {{sme}}
## added, needs to be tested
### both sme and smj need to be tested now using Gold Standard tests (__Sjur__)
# make a proper Linux distro (__Børre, Tomi__)
# give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday (__Børre, Sjur__)
# look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows (__Børre, Sjur, ...__)
# write README file, it should say BETA (__Børre, Sjur__)
# write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
  (__Børre, Sjur__)
# QA README and installation docs (__Trond, Per-Eric__)
# translate readme, installation docu (all)
# release a public beta at the end of May (__Børre, Sjur__)
# fix the remaining conversion bugs (__Børre, Tomi__)

!!Testing

!Spelling Error Markup

__TODO:__
* Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
  added to lexicon or not) (__Saara__)
* test new and nested error markup (__Sjur__)

!!Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

!sme
Version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 425 - other words from Divvun.no - __FIXED__
* 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - ''guoktedássásaš'' accepted - still __OPEN__
* 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
        rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in {{smj}}) - still
        __OPEN__
** we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
   separate lexicon file
* 452 - several lexical bugs - ''oažžuin'' + ''ožžuin'' - __FIXED__
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''ovdaLot'' instead of ''ovda-Lot'') - still
        __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sámi-dáru'' - still __OPEN__
* 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still __OPEN__
* 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen - __FIXED__
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still __OPEN__
* 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still __OPEN__
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compounding without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still __OPEN__
* 655 - pron + nai - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__
* 665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - __FIXED__
* 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - __NEW__
* 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - __FIXED__
* 676 - triple-hyphen - __FIXED__

!smj
Version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
**      we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
        separate lexicon file
**      please note that ''inflection'' of single letter numerals is __fine__ in
        {{smj}}, as opposed to {{sme}}
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''tsåhkeLot'' instead of ''tsåhke-Lot'') -
        still __OPEN__
* 599 - __REGRESSION:__ numeral attr:s on lot
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sáme-dáro'' - still __OPEN__
* 607 - acro + hyphen - __FIXED__
**''NRKGA'' is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
* 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still __OPEN__, try to find an acro or abbr ''me''
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compound - still __OPEN__
* 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__
* 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - __FIXED__

__TODO:__
* compile new speller lexicons (__Tomi__)
** done, please new compilations on Thursday afternoon
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (__Tomi__)

!!Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

!sme
Lexicon version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 468 - __REGRESSION:__''Márkomeanu''
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Lotnolasealáhusas''
* 548 - __REGRESSION:__ mid syllable hyphenation: ''Háliidivččen''
* 549 - __REGRESSION:__ division without hyph: ''Váccedettiin''
* 673 - adj-derivations: ''guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin'' (the word is not rec.)
* 677 - __NEW:__ Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

!smj
Lexicon version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 545 - __REGRESSION:__ bad hyphenation in compounds: ''åhpadusorganisásjåvnån''
         (not recognised)
* 546 - __REGRESSION:__ obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
        manner: ''organisásjåvnån'' (not recognised)
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Jienastimnjuolgadusá'' and
        ''Orgánajs''

__TODO:__
* test latest hyphenator lexicons (__Sjur__)

!!InDesign tools

We have received the expected updates from Polderland.

!!Releases

__TODO:__
* public hunspell beta - end of May
* update the ''Changes'' document (__Sjur__)
* InDesign documentation (__Sjur__)
** Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
* public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May/beginning
  of June

!!!Other

!!Trip to Hattfjelldal

We have been asked to move the meeting to Friday or Tuesday, but that isn't
possible for us. The meeting will be held on Thursday June 12, as already
announced.

__TODO:__
* check with __Lene__ (__Jovsset, Trond__)
* order hotel rooms (__Jovsset, Sjur__)
* organise meeting room for project board meeting (__Sjur__)

!!Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from {{cvs}} to {{svn}}.

!!Summer vacations

|| Who     || When
| Børre    | 30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
| Jovsset  | ???
| Per-Eric | ???
| Sjur     | ???
| Tomi     | 16/6 - 4/8
| Thomas   | 23/6 - 21 or 28/7
| Trond    | 30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8


!!!Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 2.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11:15.

!!!Appendix - task lists for the next five days

!!Boerre
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Boerre.ics]
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta during May (with __Sjur__)
* make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
* look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
* write README file, it should say BETA
* write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
* fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
* Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the
  copyrights.
* check ''Hattfjelldal'' trip with __Lene__
* order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__

!!Per-Eric
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Per-Eric.ics]
* try to find other authors who have {{smj}} texts digitaly.
* Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
* Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
* Plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Sjur.ics]
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
* name db/risten.no
* make an improved {{sma}} project plan
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
* release hunspell public beta at the end of May (with __Børre__)
* update the ''Changes'' document
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
* InDesign documentation
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* test {{sme}} and {{smj}} hunspell lexicons using Gold Standard tests
* give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
* look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
* write README file, it should say BETA
* write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
* order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal/board meeting trip
* organise meeting room for project board meeting
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Thomas
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Thomas.ics]
* look at test cases still not behaving properly
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Tomi
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Tomi.ics]
* make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
* fix double hyphen bugs
* Make a pedagogical speller
* fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Trond
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-05-26_Trond.ics]
* Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* Dictionaries
* check ''Hattfjelldal'' trip with __Lene__
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].