!!!Meeting setup

* Date: 23.6.2008
* Time: 09.30 Norw. time
* Place: Internet
* Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

!!!Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
* the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
* the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

!!!Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 11:50.

Present: __Børre, Jovsset, Sjur, Trond__

Absent: __Per-Eric, Thomas, Tomi__

Agenda accepted as is.

!!!Updated task status since last meeting

!!Børre
* prepare migration to svn (with __Sjur, Trond__)
** done
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
** not done
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** not done
* define and document testing routines
** not done
* fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
** some done
* e-mail to all involved/affected ''this'' week, to inform about svn change
** done
* send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
** todo
* write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
** done
* change license on distros to GPL2+
** not done
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
** Done. I been in contact with __Gun M Utsi__. __Gun M Utsi__ have almost agreed to let us use her texts from the book Bovsten guelmie. I have taken contact with ''Gullers förlag'' about the new south sami book. Still no answer. I still need to talk to the magazine ''Darpies dierie'' and also to the ''Š-blađđi'' (Iđut publisher).
* translate leaflet text
** Not done since I do not have any text.
* Talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
** Not done. __John Marcus__ was not at work last week.
* Talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ printing 
** Not done.
* Presentation on sami publisher meeting
** Not done, the meeting is postponed until the autumn.
* distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
  sami centres in all of Sápmi
** Not done.
* Talk to __Leif Åge__ about CD printing
** Done.
* Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the
  copyrights.
** Done. They are positive to the idea, they just have to clear some things with their publisher.

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__

!!Per-Eric
On vacation

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
** looked at the nob-sma word-list available online
* name db/risten.no
** looked at a possible framework for a more modern approach to the risten.no
   interface/web front end
* prepare migration to svn (with __Børre, Trond__)
** tested a bit, updated local copy to the https protocol, diffs testing
* update the ''Changes'' document
** nothing
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
** nothing
* InDesign documentation
** nothing
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** nothing
* define and document testing routines
** nothing
* look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
** nothing new, but the present setup will do
* write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
** small update
* write leaflet text
** nothing
* talk to Leif Åge about CD printing
** nothing
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]
** nothing
* other issues:
** some post-board-meeting work

!!Thomas
On vacation

!!Tomi
On vacation

!!Trond
* Set up Jabber for Lene, Saara
** Awaiting new machines.
* Prepare svn migration (with __Sjur, Børre__)
** Made an email list over victorio users.
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
** Nothing.
* define and document testing routines
** Nothing.
* Dictionaries
** Worked on sme dictionaries, looked at nobsma as well.
* write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
** Done smth on documentation
* prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
** Nothing except the mail list :-(
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].

!!!Pedagogical software online

Meeting memos can be found at 
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]

__TODO:__
* get the content ready (__Lene, Biret, Trond__)
* implement the UI and functionality (__Saara__)
* get an easy-to-remember URL (__UiT/IT__) 
* More thorough skin, layout, ... (__External person within the Ped team__,
  __Internal forrest expert__) This we will postponed until later
* Make a pedagogical speller (__Tomi__ when finished with his MA thesis)
** Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
** Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
   compounding

!!!Documentation

__TODO:__
* start to reorganise the documentation (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)

!!!Corpus gathering

__TODO:__
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts (__Sjur, Jovsset__)
* follow-up on the {{smj}} texts from __Kurt Tore__ (__Per-Eric__)
* other contacts: ''Nord-Salten avis'' (__Børge Strandskog__), Lena Davidsson
  daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
* __Ulf Stefan Winka__ has a lot of {{smj}} texts (__Thomas__)
* plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools (__Per-Eric, Thomas__)
* meet with the Sámi publishers; main topics: (__Jovsset__)
** present the present project (Divvun II)
** discuss inclusion of our contract in theirs (DG and Čálliid Lágádus already
   positive)
** present the electronic dictionary sme-nob, with "inflectional intelligence"
** also regular contracts, and how to make faster progress with them, especially
  for the south sami and julev sami publishers since we have few texts in these
  two varieties.
** prepare meeting with __Børre__ (__Jovsset__)
* make leaflet to inform about the project
** write text (__Sjur__)
** translate text (__Thomas, Jovsset, Maaren__)
** talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ about layout, pictures (__Jovsset__)
** talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ about printing (__Jovsset__)
* distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
  sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example.
  (__Leif Åge, Jovsset, Sjur__)


!!!Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in {{plan/strat/5year.jspwiki}}.

!!!Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
# test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
# migrate to svn
# merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
# more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
# close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
# set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
## permanent chat rooms
## stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
## iCal server / group calendars
## wiki
# wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
# improve Forrest stability and i18n support
# reorganise the documentation content:
## differ between target groups
## get better grouping
## decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
   (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
## update/add missing parts
# migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
## Name lexica (the Name project)
## Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
## Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
# change the look of the documentation web
# sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
# investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
  package from Polderland
# corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

SVN issues:
* root/prooftools not available - fixed (somehow)
* http access not yet available
* read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
** gt/smX/polderland should be protected
* everything will be google-able by default if the repo URL is posted
* plan should be protected?


__TODO:__
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
* define and document testing routines (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
* add Jabber account in iChat
** UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (__Trond__)
*** __Saara__ done
* prepare migration to svn (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
** https access is now working.
   svn checkout https://victorio.uit.no/repos
** final conversion is now decided to the evening 23.6.
*** e-mail to all involved/affected ''this'' week, to inform about the change
    (__Børre__)
*** send new e-mail 23.6 as a reminder (__Børre__)
*** write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients (command-line,
    GUI, diffs, etc) (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
*** test existing svn repository, esp. access regulation
    (__Børre, Sjur, Trond__)
*** rewrite bashrc aliases geared towards cvs, if needed (__Trond__)
*** prepare and discuss with external users: Meänkieli group, Greenlandic group,
    Jack Ruether (__Trond__)
*** check all other users in group cvs (__Børre, Trond__)
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (__Børre__)
** update the OS at the same time


!!!Linguistics

!!North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

!!Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

__TODO:__
* {{sme->smj}} lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
  increase {{smj}} coverage (__Trond, Svenne__). 
* Add the words when all words are ready.

!!South Sámi

__Jovsset__ will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh
manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

!!!Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

__TODO:__
# fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
  request) (__Sjur__)
# fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (__Saara__)
# finish first version of the editing (__Sjur__)
# test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (__Sjur, Thomas, Trond__)
# make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
  well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
  propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (__Sjur, Saara__)
# convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
  (__Sjur, Tomi, Saara__)
# implement data synchronisation between [risten.no|http://www.risten.no] and
   the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
   to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
   official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
# start to use the xml file as source file
# clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
  (e.g. @type=secondary) (__Thomas, Maaren, linguists__)
# merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
  Helsingfors, Helsset (__linguists__)
# publish the name lexicon on risten.no (__Sjur__)
# add missing parallel names for placenames (__linguists__)
# add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
  (__linguists__)

!!Dictionaries

__TODO:__
* clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
* make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
* make simple installer applications
* make a public release
** Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
   {{xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml}}
** Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
*** Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)

!!!Proofing tools

!!Hunspell

__TODO:__
# change license on distros to GPL2+ (__Børre__)
# QA README and installation docs (__Trond__)
# fix the remaining conversion bugs (__Børre, Tomi__)
## improving conversion

!!Testing

!Spelling Error Markup

__TODO:__
* Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
  added to lexicon or not) (__Saara__)
* test new and nested error markup (__Sjur__)

!!Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

!sme
Version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02__
* 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - ''guoktedássásaš'' accepted - still __OPEN__
* 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
        rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in {{smj}}) - still
        __OPEN__
** we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
   separate lexicon file
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''ovdaLot'' instead of ''ovda-Lot'') - still
        __OPEN__
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sámi-dáru'' - still __OPEN__
* 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still __OPEN__
* 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still __OPEN__
* 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still __OPEN__
* 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still __OPEN__
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - __FIXED__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compounding without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 633 - __REGRESSION:__ double hyphens accepted
* 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still __OPEN__
* 655 - pron + nai - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__ - won't fix
* 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - __FIXED__
* 676 - triple-hyphen - __FIXED__, but double hyphen is still accepted
* other __regressions:__
** ''skuvlajagin'' now accepted
** ''skierranis'' now accepted

!smj
Version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02__
* 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
**      we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
        separate lexicon file
**      please note that ''inflection'' of single letter numerals is __fine__ in
        {{smj}}, as opposed to {{sme}}
* 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (''tsåhkeLot'' instead of ''tsåhke-Lot'') -
        still __OPEN__
* 599 - __REGRESSION:__ numeral attr:s on lot
* 600 - gen+hyph compound ''sáme-dáro'' - still __OPEN__
* 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still __OPEN__, try to find an acro or abbr ''me''
* 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still __OPEN__
* 629 - ''a'' taking part in compound - still __OPEN__
* 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still __OPEN__
* 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still __OPEN__
* 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still __OPEN__
* 647 - numerals+NOUN - still __OPEN__
* 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still __OPEN__
* 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still __OPEN__
* 658 - Suggestion saame - still __OPEN__, won't fix
* 692 - __NEW:__ - numeral-variants
* other __regressions:__
** ''gus'' NOT accepted anymore

__TODO:__
* compile new speller lexicons (__Tomi__)
* document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (__Tomi__)

!!Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

!sme
Lexicon version: __Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 468 - __REGRESSION:__''Márkomeanu''
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Lotnolasealáhusas''
* 548 - __REGRESSION:__ mid syllable hyphenation: ''Háliidivččen''
* 549 - __REGRESSION:__ division without hyph: ''Váccedettiin''
* 673 - adj-derivations: ''guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin'' (the word is not rec.)
* 677 - __NEW:__ Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

!smj
Lexicon version: __Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01__
* 545 - __REGRESSION:__ bad hyphenation in compounds: ''åhpadusorganisásjåvnån''
         (not recognised)
* 546 - __REGRESSION:__ obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
        manner: ''organisásjåvnån'' (not recognised)
* 547 - __REGRESSION:__ hyphen in front of vowel: ''Jienastimnjuolgadusá'' and
        ''Orgánajs''

__TODO:__
* fix hyphenator errors (__Tomi__)

!!InDesign tools

Nothing new.

!!Releases

__TODO:__
* update the ''Changes'' document (__Sjur__)
* InDesign documentation (__Sjur__)
** Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

!!!Other

!!Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from {{cvs}} to {{svn}}.

!!Summer vacations

|| Who     || When
| Børre    | 30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
| Jovsset  | ???, probably some in August
| Per-Eric | 11/6-30/6
| Sjur     | Mainly in July, dates not set
| Tomi     | 16/6 - 4/8
| Thomas   | 23/6 - 18/7
| Trond    | 30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8

!!!Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 30.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 13:18.

!!!Appendix - task lists for the next five days

!!Boerre
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-06-23_Boerre.ics]
* update svn user documentation as needed
* try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
* send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
* change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Jovsset
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-06-23_Jovsset.ics]
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
* translate leaflet text
* Talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
* Talk to __John Marcus Kuhmunen__ printing 
* Presentation on sami publisher meeting
* distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
  sami centres in all of Sápmi

!!Lene
* get the ped content ready
* Work on test routine with __Trond__ and __Sjur__

!!Per-Eric
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-06-23_Per-Eric.ics]
* follow-up on the {{smj}} texts from __Kurt Tore__ (__Per-Eric__)
* follow-up contracts from ''Nord-Salten avis'' and __Lena Davidsson__ 
* Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
* Plan a {{smj}} pr tour for our tools
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Saara
* add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
* Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
  (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
* implement the ped UI and functionality

!!Sjur
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-06-23_Sjur.ics]
* update svn user documentation as needed
* follow up on {{sma}} corpus texts
* name db/risten.no
* update the ''Changes'' document
* follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
* InDesign documentation
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* write leaflet text
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla]

!!Thomas
On vacation

!!Tomi
On vacation

!!Trond
[iCal|/doc/admin/weekly/2008/Tasks_2008-06-23_Trond.ics]
* Set up Jabber for Lene
* make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
* define and document testing routines
* Dictionaries
* update svn user documentation as needed
* prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
* [fix bugs!|http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla].